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turns page. EMILY GUERIN: But Don did have doubts of his own. No bakery. PAT GORDEN: I never felt like he was a land scammer. TOM MANEY: We don't know. We want to believe people are telling us the truth. Hawaii. She’d been a nuclear physicist and she also taught encryption and decoding in the military. Oh heavens no. And they invite you to a hotel to learn about a real estate opportunity. EMILY GUERIN: But Nat didn’t see it that way. I mean, most people, when they talk about history, they want to share what they know. I’d asked him about the student program and the tool lots. Because of how empty it is up there, looking out from Galileo Hill. THERESA GRIMSHAW: Oh, yes. EMILY GUERIN: Like, everybody knows, this is what happens in California City? He once said, “hey listen,” 38 times in a single phone call. EMILY GUERIN: Previously on California City: KATHRYN EFFORD: Real estate is the basis of all wealth. Nat Mendelsohn, developer of controversial California City, died Sunday. Maybe Ben would’ve turned to his buddy Clifford and asked, what the hell is that? Our freeways. It’s enormous, but it’s empty. EMILY GUERIN: In June 2018, I went out to California City to meet her with producers James Kim and David Rodriguez. They knew a ton about me, even though we’d just met. So he started asking around. And, four: a nearly $4 million refund to everyone who had bought land since 1972. Or whatever… cus this is such a small-knit community. EMILY GUERIN: You did bikini shots for Nat Mendelsohn? JOHN DAVIDSON: That lady has been there for a long time. For decades, real estate developers have sold a dream here: if you buy land now, you’ll b… This guy named Jim Quiggle, who died before I got a chance to meet him. . Or else, we’ll take you to court. For years, Ken said he didn’t remember the details. I'm Emily. David and Lianhui did not like that idea one bit. It’s basically this run-down, kitschy hotel where you can shoot guns and ride horses, and it’s way out there, 100 miles north of Los Angeles, in the Mojave Desert town of California City. It gave the impression that she believed so deeply, she was willing to invest herself. Sorry that took so long. EMILY GUERIN: In fact checking with Kathryn, she said Susan had always been jealous of her. I just loved the desert. Nice to meet you. EMILY GUERIN: Forty two years since Ken Donney tried to stop it. But they kept right on selling the landbanking project, according to the DBO. I’m not totally sure what he did there — he wouldn’t tell me because he had a top secret clearance, but it had something to do with plutonium. What he got was a 40” TV and a camera that he said didn’t really work. I signed my name on the visitor’s sheet, and I walked down a long carpeted hallway to a small office. He died in 2018. EMILY GUERIN: And through David, Lianhui started telling me about how a Silver Saddle sales agent had pressured her into buying a share of the landbanking project. To make their case before a judge that they didn’t need Regulatory Resolutions taking control of their company. It was time for a confrontation. My palms were all clammy on my microphone. Worldwide, basis of all wealth. EMILY GUERIN: To Ken, there was nothing humdrum about it. REANA ROBLES: And then they had, like, this white guy just trying to appeal to us, like, in our language, like “oh, like, the Philippines right? He wants to be his own boss. DON KUYRKENDALL: Well that's what they're called in the industry we did, they’re just dirt deals. She is the top-selling sales agent at Silver Saddle. After he signed away his life savings. EMILY GUERIN: For each referral who bought into Silver Saddle, Ben would get $2,000. Afterwards, I went back and I read all the transcripts of all the interviews I’d done with people who bought into Silver Saddle. I said right. All he needed to do was bring in new customers. EMILY GUERIN: Silver Saddle was getting shut down. They told me about the Mayan calendar. He once said, “hey listen,” 38 times in a single phone call. Because convincing thousands of people to buy land in a speculative desert city seems like the kind of thing Marx would hate. EMILY GUERIN: So what year did you buy the land? And Ivan Irwan quickly caught on that, that that that game wasn’t working with this young attorney. Marian Ducreux had been making $300,000 a year, according to the DBO. “I treated you right and now you are telling people I lied. It didn’t interest me. EMILY GUERIN: I mean, you could contact the DA, they have, like, a consumer complaints division. They scanned any document that seemed interesting, and labeled what office it had come from. So, to finish my thoughts. Just give me a few minutes, we need to take care of a few things. We stood with our shoulders nearly touching, in front of a large, abstract painting, and Ken told the guy, over and over, “count to three before you press the shutter,” as if he had never held a camera before. He didn’t have the money to fix it. LEE SMITH: Pretty early on. And the desert is covered with them. EMILY GUERIN: Is there like green tea? Landbanking is where a bunch of people jointly own a huge chunk of land. EMILY GUERIN: So that was, and that was a lie. Kind of, like, that was kind of like their whole appeal... it may be worthless now but it’s gonna be worth a lot of money later. I followed a long sidewalk to another building, and a guard buzzed me into the visiting room. Stories about how he got into real estate. So all I did is just trust, trust them and do what they want me to sign or everything. And they’d bring them, these people they were closest to, to a seminar, where Don would stand behind a podium and pitch them on California City. If you see another Van Nuys, or another Encino, or another Salt Lake City, then you've got the vision. We walked into his apartment to grab something. And he said yes, I would love that. He said, California City is the perfectly located city to build a new city in. It was the location that mattered. EMILY GUERIN: Do you ever, like, have dreams about it? Ken knew that the Hunts weren’t really to blame for what was going wrong in California City. DEBBIE NICASTRO: Okay, there's buy— there is buyer's remorse. It's like a thing that that happened... KEN DONNEY: I know. All he needed to do was bring in new customers. Which, honestly, made me feel tired, and jaded, and kind of sad. Find out more about LAist Studios or pitch an idea. The L.A. Times called it the largest consumer refund in the history of the FTC. It's the majority, actually. It wouldn’t be a place where you can spend a cool spring morning on top of a man made waterfall, hearing thrushes sing. I checked in at the desk, where a guard cataloged my accessories: one hairband, two earrings, and a watch. The threat appeared to come from the, um, high profit side of the negotiations. But what were his intentions? Theresa’s long grey hair was wrapped around her shoulders like a shawl. I mean, it’s not like putting fixer for Rudy Giuluani on there or anything, but it’s still not the best look. I'm Emily. ANTONIO GARCIA: Yeah, we'll do a survey, and we'll send it to everybody. DAVID DAI: You know what, we are immigrants, and we thought in America, we cannot imagine this happen to us. She talked to her friends at the monthly potlucks. And I’ll admit, I, up to that point, I didn’t pay attention to that stuff. Antonio had hired him to represent all the people who bought into Silver Saddle, but for reasons that are too complicated to explain, he’s no longer representing them. MARIAN DUCREUX: laughs I don't know. He had an entire white bankers box full of the stuff, and he brought it to my room at the Best Western on one of my visits, and began rifling through it. All podcasts at one glance. Let’s just say I, I had a clear vision of the pistol in his shoulder holster. Nights were cold, days were hot, and the wind blew nearly all the time. KATHRYN EFFORD: And we came out here, we flew out on the early, early flight. But if you look at the rest of Ken’s life, he was nobody’s hero. Because not only did he give him the vision, but he gave him the investors and the reality of life to invest the money to make it happen. EMILY GUERIN: ...your actually relationship to him? You get free shipping and a 60-day risk free trial. The 2,000 or so people who’d bought shares of the landbanking project, for nearly $60 million dollars. His eyes were big, and they flashed beneath his bushy eyebrows. Nat? EMILY GUERIN: Rheana told me, after the presentation they broke for lunch. She sat so straight it made me conscious of my slouch. I got there early, and I sat in the front row of the courtroom as people filed in. Its roots spread out all over California City. I used to be a reporter in the oilfields in North Dakota, where 25-year-old kids with no college education put up with 16-hour days, deadly roads and toxic fumes because they were raking it in. HERB LEE: I was agog. “Actions speak louder than words,” Ken said at his third parole hearing. TOM MANEY: Well, they’re buying more than just the land…. HERB LEE: Gee, probably there was more beer than soda at some of those events. Otherwise, there wasn’t much there. Literally there is an evilness to that. They were still running ads. KEN DONNEY: Yeah. I love to buy land. He lit our torch. I lose hope. But, I was still nervous. But he only agreed to talk to me if I didn’t reveal his name. On Ken’s left sat another one of the Hunt’s lawyers. And in order to do this, the Mendelsohn scheme was, you need to buy your own property, you see, Mr. and Mrs. Consumer, because when you want to sell future property, you can say, “See? JOHN DAVIDSON: It’s a real estate scheme. I still believe it. And the roads... just, there’s so many roads on every single direction. Have you ever heard that prayer? The last time we talked, it was only because he butt dialed me on Thanksgiving from Catalina Island. He was a prophet to a woman who believed in miracles. Yeah. In fact, I used to try to indirectly, you know, get him away from drinking something and say let's go for a walk or you know, um, interrupt him as he was pouring a drink to try and stop him because I guess I didn't really like it when he drank. Serving residents and businesses in Whittier since 1898! Anybody who says the only reason he developed the cities was strictly to make money, didn't know the man. Which is...a fraction of what Silver Saddle claimed it was worth. I realized I had seen Ben as just one thing: a victim. You need to travel like 25 miles away from that location to go to the stores. What, what about him? EMILY GUERING: There was Nat, the founding father. LAist Studios exists to tell LA stories to the world. And there was a court hearing coming up. But I think I’m particularly susceptible to it. The bar is inside a Chinese restaurant called the Green Tea Garden. He’d taken a job at the law school, and she worked in fundraising. The city’s first Mayor, James Riley, he worked for Nat’s company. EMILY GUERIN: He denied that his vision for the future of California City had anything to do with Nat Mendelsohn’s. We drove to the edge of town and we kept going into the desert. The team opened the file cabinets. I mean, there are a lot of people like that in California. And he did a lot of random stuff. Honestly it looks just as quiet as it normally does. What happened just after 2 a.m. on the morning of October 27th is...really gruesome. EMILY GUERIN: After three hours, we stumbled out into the early spring sunlight. As crowded is Los Angeles is, you still have people coming. Thousands of unsuspecting people have made this pilgrimage over the years. That word jumped out at me as soon as Kathryn said it. EMILY GUERIN: Previously, on California City: BEN PEREZ: That’s actually my 5 years savings. EMILY GUERIN: By the time James and I confronted the president of Silver Saddle Ranch and Club, Tom Maney, I’d been reporting on California City on and off for almost three years. She was one of them. So that’s Alex, but for most of the people I met, Nat was a different kind of father figure. Weeks staying in California City. No intermediate school. And I, and I, believe me, I know that. After he was betrayed by someone he trusted. But today, we were talking to the man in charge. JAMES KIM: And then the other thing we heard a lot about is this place called Silver Saddle Ranch. You know. JAMES KIM: That’s so weird, there’s an arrow just pointing in the middle of nowhere! The DBO wants Silver Saddle to give all the investors their money back. The one that said, “the value of this land is uncertain, do not count on an increase in value.”. Land records. Maybe it runs in my blood. No, I would, I would say, you know, Nathan Mendelsohn was my father. I never felt like he was a land scammer. Ben told me he’d lost around $31,000. KATHRYN EFFORD: No. And nearly all the pioneers knew Nat. That’s the man Pat Gorden knew. Korea Tourism Organization: Visit Korea and experience delicious food, vibrant cities, and natural beauty. Anyway, so the Raiders were horrified by the way Nat Mendelsohn’s salespeople sold land. A little white rectangle with a black outline, and blocky font. First the company, and then the place. I saw phrases like “illegal land sales,” “high pressure sales tactics,” and “false promises.” I saw Marian Ducreux and Tom Maney’s names. But as far as I can tell, they didn’t act on any of them. You can make good money, my son. Period. DON KUYRKENDALL: If, even if there were 1,000 people that sued us it would be a fraction, a minuscule amount of the people that actually participated in the programs and people that bought property from ‘em. I'm going to get on the airplane with somebody they don't know? DALLON COX: I think Nat Mendelsohn was a con artist in a way. EMILY GUERIN: I’m going into Erlinda’s Filipino Cuisine and Ice Cream parlor. Growing up, California City was was so small, it took every single kid in town to play a game of flag football — boys and girls. ALEX MENDELSHON: I know that he came to this country as a child. Yeah we are. He’s still alive, but he never returned my calls or emails. KEN DONNEY: Congratulations. And he didn’t warn everyone — he just warned his family. Like, saying like, oh, if you buy this land now it’s gonna skyrocket later. Dallon was out in the parking lot on his sixth smoke break. But... JUNE SUGASAWARA: — there’s no sign of an airport. EMILY GUERIN: By this point, a small group had gathered around us. TOM MANEY: We never give anybody a bad time if they don't buy. JUNE SUGASAWARA: We thought it was a golden opportunity and we were going to make millions off of it. James bought cigarettes, and I hit up the only coffee shop in California City: the McDonalds. I work hard for that money and everything went to waste. It was dusk, and we kept creeping ourselves out. EMILY GUERIN: Nice to meet you, David. EMILY GUERIN: Is this your little timeline of who owned what and when? But how? We went late and the place was nearly empty. null . Regards, Benjamin Perez.”. Literally, there's an evilness to that. But some of her stories just seemed over the top. I mean, when you look at a guy and say, “hey listen, we're going to sell you some California City property. To understand today’s white supremacist movement, look at the last time hate pulled in young Americans. And, and, I mean, so, so, okay, so this is, you know, kind of the question I have for somebody who says, do something about it. So I tracked down one of Nat’s former salesmen. And in the middle, there was a big table, with a map sprawled out on it. Like, a lot of dirt. EMILY GUERIN: But Lee didn’t contact the DA. It read: California Department of Business Oversight Sues to Stop $30 million Silver Saddle Ranch Investment Fraud. TOM MANEY: We never had any, any problems. And that’s the reason I want to tell you about Ken’s crime. This empty desert is a blank canvas that the salespeople can paint a dream on. I realized I had to talk to the people who knew him well. What if. EMILY GUERIN: That was, like, very convincing. She was the fullback. California City sponsors include: We put them in the magazine. California City is unlike anywhere else I have ever been. They’d already eaten, and the table was littered with styrofoam plates and dirty napkins. It was under the coffee table, next to the couch. She was raising Alex alone in a one-bedroom apartment in Santa Monica. Imagine how much money you would have. Nat, the prophet. One locksmith. When I would push back my chair, and put my pointy toed cowboy boots, brown tan boots, up on the table, it was always on this side of the table, the guy who was supposed to intimidate me. You can see I always have these under the table. But the law didn’t stop Silver Saddle from selling a confusing desert real estate investment to unsuspecting people like Ben Perez. I feel like this happens a lot in America right now. Getting a receiver appointed is kind of a big deal. He worked with Tom Maney for years. LIANHUI ZHOU: My English — not good. ALEX MENDELSOHN: He gave himself a middle name of Karl with a “K” after Karl Marx who he admired tremendously and was constantly reading. But it wasn’t all hopes and dreams that convinced them to buy. California City does feel kind of lawless. PAT GORDEN: I love the desert. When Don worked there, in the early 70s, the company spent almost a million dollars a year on flying people down to take a look. For decades, real estate developers have sold a dream here: if you buy land now, you’ll be rich one day. KEN DONNEY: Well, I pled guilty, I accept responsibility. And we'd dump them out of the truck and we'd take, give them to the up, the up guys at California City and they'd take em out and show them their property. He saw a huge, new, meticulously planned city. Fear, rumors, and looking the other way. mother drank too much, her father worked all the time. They’re what’s called a court-appointed receiver. He’s brilliant as to his ideas and how he structures things. So, I tried to fill the silence as we drove. I drove out here to Silver Saddle and was just shocked again by how far away it is. We were, we were peddlers. Bigger than Vegas. But I knew in the 70s, he’d worked for Great Western Cities. I kept trying to start the interview, but he kept interrupting to show me pictures. Okay, so it’s 1976 at this point. She thought Nat should finish what he started. And in his online reviews of Silver Saddle, I mean, his anger was practically jumping off the screen. And, um. It makes anything seem possible. The dust. sighs. when Ken walked in and stabbed her 29 times with a chef’s knife. And remove the cars. I took it outside and I ate it on the curb as the sun set over the empty parking lot. The DBO regulates a lot of different financial transactions: student loans, mortgages, banks and securities. Would his voice sound different? And I knew Tom now lived in Lancaster, California, in a 5-bedroom house with only four fireplaces, stone floors and a view of the desert. Cuz she wasn't even talking to me. And I said why here? I was going to a convicted murderer for advice. Well all cities are female, come on. And at 8 p.m., they would get up on stage in the Pacific Heights room and say something like: DON KUYRKENDALL: Listen, you can be a Kuyrkendall. Like a Santa kind of laugh but lower. Show support by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. Or whatever. Just — I don't want to get like sweat stains before we even get there. KATHRYN EFFORD: Well, I'll tell you who he sounded like, was Donald Trump. REANA ROBLES: Like, they kept on showing, like, these wind turbines, and like throwing around like Elon Musk, and I was like who is Elon Musk? I thought maybe I should. EMILY GUERIN: Antonio was sitting around a table with a few people I recognized from the hallway. And he was totally shocked to see me on my bicycle on Hollywood Boulevard. She was Tom and I was me. Dallon, meanwhile, is a short, clipped hair and baseball cap kind guy. And I think they convinced him and his friends to lure even more people into their web. EMILY GUERIN: Who do you think was making the phone calls? It’s nowhere near finished. I went through with it because, at that point in my life, it was just easier to say yes than to say no. The Kern County treasurer and tax collector, Jordan Kaufmann? sighs. The photo seemed like a perfect time to say goodbye. It was a pimple on their butt. Which Tom also denied. Kane once stealthily took pictures of me and James at a California City council meeting with his zoom lens, and he sent them to us later. And what happened next sounds like a how-to guide for high-pressure sales. Has the third-largest land area of any city in the state of California, number 2 is San Diego and number 1 is Los Angeles. I decided if I was going to understand Silver Saddle’s sales strategy, I needed to know what preceded it. EMILY GUERIN: Don talked like he was letting me in on a little secret. Finally. No, don’t, don’t do that. Alright. EMILY GUERIN: You think your mom was threatened by the California City Development Company? KEN DONNEY: And I'm not, on a radio interview, in a room full of other inmates. Intention, this professional poker player once told me, is really the only difference between a dreamer and a con artist. RALPH NADER: I began to absorb the rampant land development, the lack of zoning, the conflicts of interest, the corruption, the misuse of eminent domain, the huge subsidies, tax subsidies, given to these developers. By mid-September 2017, he began emailing company management, trying to get his money back and saying he thought he’d been scammed. That was up to someone else. Hah! Listen to California City on GetPodcast. Silver Saddle did stop selling the Capital Improvement Fund. 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